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2000.10.05 00:20 "Old-style JPEG and HP 9100C Digital Sender", by Tim Bell
2000.10.05 03:39 "Re: Old-style JPEG and HP 9100C Digital Sender", by Niles Ritter
2000.10.05 19:43 "Re: Old-style JPEG and HP 9100C Digital Sender", by Rex Jolliff
2000.10.06 02:20 "Re: Old-style JPEG and HP 9100C Digital Sender", by Tom Lane
2000.10.06 04:44 "Re: Old-style JPEG and HP 9100C Digital Sender", by Raj Kumar S
2000.10.06 09:36 "Re: Old-style JPEG and HP 9100C Digital Sender", by Joris Van Damme
2000.10.06 13:50 "Re: Old-style JPEG and HP 9100C Digital Sender", by Frank Warmerdam
2000.10.06 13:31 "Re: Old-style JPEG and HP 9100C Digital Sender", by Ed Grissom
2000.10.06 14:21 "Re: Old-style JPEG and HP 9100C Digital Sender", by Martin Bailey
2000.10.06 14:44 "Re: Old-style JPEG and HP 9100C Digital Sender", by Ed Grissom
2000.10.06 15:04 "Re: Old-style JPEG and HP 9100C Digital Sender", by Martin Bailey
2000.10.06 15:07 "PDF is NOT proprietary!", by Leonard Rosenthol
2000.10.06 16:13 "Re: PDF is NOT proprietary!", by Ed Grissom
2000.10.06 16:32 "Re: PDF is NOT proprietary!", by Leonard Rosenthol
2000.10.06 16:35 "Re: PDF is NOT proprietary!", by Ed Grissom
2000.10.06 20:10 "Re: PDF is NOT proprietary!", by Bo Yang
2000.10.06 20:41 "Re: PDF is NOT proprietary!", by Ed Grissom
2000.10.06 21:35 "Re: PDF is NOT proprietary!", by Alex Cherepanov
2000.10.08 00:24 "Re: PDF is NOT proprietary!", by Leonard Rosenthol
2000.10.06 21:02 "Re: PDF is NOT proprietary!", by Larry Jones
2000.10.06 17:56 "Re: Old-style JPEG and HP 9100C Digital Sender", by Joris Van Damme
2000.10.06 10:36 "Re: Old-style JPEG and HP 9100C Digital Sender", by Martin Bailey
2000.10.07 06:03 "Re: Old-style JPEG and HP 9100C Digital Sender", by Joris Van Damme

2000.10.05 00:20 "Old-style JPEG and HP 9100C Digital Sender", by Tim Bell

Hi,

We've got an HP 9100C Digital Sender (network connected scanner) and
it seems to be producing Old-style JPEG TIFFs, which libtiff says it
can't read.  (We're using Linux for this.)  I thought I'd check here
before I sent a detailed bug report to HP tech support.

Running tiffinfo on one of the files gives:

        qcf6.tif: Warning, unknown field with tag 512 (0x200) ignored.
        qcf6.tif: Warning, unknown field with tag 513 (0x201) ignored.
        qcf6.tif: Warning, unknown field with tag 514 (0x202) ignored.
        qcf6.tif: Warning, unknown field with tag 519 (0x207) ignored.
        qcf6.tif: Warning, unknown field with tag 520 (0x208) ignored.
        qcf6.tif: Warning, unknown field with tag 521 (0x209) ignored.
        TIFF Directory at offset 0x17898
          Subfile Type: (0 = 0x0)
          Image Width: 1654 Image Length: 2339
          Resolution: 200, 200 pixels/inch
          Bits/Sample: 8
          Compression Scheme: Old-style JPEG
          Photometric Interpretation: YCbCr
          FillOrder: msb-to-lsb
          Orientation: row 0 top, col 0 lhs
          Samples/Pixel: 3
          Rows/Strip: 2339
          Planar Configuration: single image plane
          Page Number: 0-0

(From looking at the file, I realised that stripping off the first 8
bytes would give a JPEG, and that resulting file seems fine.)

Now, the HP tech support assure us that the 9100C produces "Compliant
TIFF6.0 files".  As I understand it, this is strictly true, because the
DRAFT TIFF Technical Note #2 which redefines JPEG handling under TIFF is
not actually part of a TIFF standard yet.  However, TN#2 does include
this: "TIFF writers are strongly discouraged from using the 6.0 JPEG
design", so we should be able to use this to tell HP that they've
implemented the wrong JPEG spec for TIFF.

The HP tech support people want to recreate our problem.  I'm going to
point them in the direction of the libtiff web page and software.  Are
there pre-compiled Windows binaries available?  I don't know whether
they'd go to the trouble of compiling their own.

Am I on the right track with all this?  I'd really like HP to fix their
product to use the revised JPEG encoding, and I figure giving them as
much accurate info as I can can only help.

Thanks.

Tim.
-- 
Tim Bell - bhat@trinity.unimelb.edu.au - System Administrator & Programmer
    Trinity College, Royal Parade, Parkville, Victoria, 3052, Australia