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2007.08.06 22:08 "Transparency ... associated or unassociated alpha is more compatible?", by William Gallafent
2007.08.06 22:27 "Re: Transparency ... associated or unassociated alpha is more compatible?", by Bob Friesenhahn
2007.08.06 22:28 "Re: Transparency ... associated or unassociated alpha is morecompatible?", by Chris Cox
2007.08.06 22:32 "Re: Transparency ... associated or unassociated alpha is morecompatible?", by Chris Cox
2007.08.06 22:48 "Re: Transparency ... associated or unassociated alpha is morecompatible?", by Bob Friesenhahn
2007.08.06 22:48 "Re: Transparency ... associated or unassociated alpha is morecompatible?", by Chris Cox

2007.08.06 22:48 "Re: Transparency ... associated or unassociated alpha is morecompatible?", by Chris Cox

Bob;

Yes, I know.
I'd like to have some way to specify un-premultiplied/unmatted transparency,
but it would be a major change to TIFF.
(adding new alpha channel types helps, but it would require changes to a lot
of software before it would work correctly)

"Correct according to the original Targa specifications" and "what most
users of the TGA format expect and understand" are completely different
things...
Photoshop tries to follow the format specs., but sometimes users don't
follow the specs, much less understand the specs.

Chris



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Friesenhahn [mailto:bfriesen@simple.dallas.tx.us]
Sent: Mon 8/6/2007 3:48 PM
To: Chris Cox
Cc: Tiff List
Subject: RE: [Tiff] Transparency ... associated or unassociated alpha is
morecompatible?
 
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Chris Cox wrote:

> PNG and SGI RGB support associated alpha (aka transparency), just not
> premultiplied.

Thanks for correcting my wrong use of terms.  It is a pity that TIFF 
does not provide a way to specify associated alpha which is not 
premultiplied.

> TGA is supposed to support associated alpha (transparency), but most 
> users of TGA don't seem to understand the difference and get 
> transparency and general (unassociated) alpha channels confused. 
> When Photoshop 7 shipped with transparency support in TGA format, 
> the users got so confused that Adobe had to go back to using 
> unassociated alpha.  The TGA users still can't agree on what they 
> want, much less what they understand.

That is interesting to know.  As far as I am aware, GraphicsMagick 
handles alpha correctly (according to written specification) for TGA 
files.  I spent quite a bit of time double checking it and fixing 
things.

Bob
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Bob Friesenhahn
bfriesen@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/
GraphicsMagick Maintainer,    http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/