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2004.01.14 17:14 "http://www.libtiff.org/", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.01.14 17:46 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Joris Van Damme
2004.01.14 18:45 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Frank Warmerdam
2004.01.14 19:11 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by David Burken
2004.01.14 20:55 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Andrey Kiselev
2004.01.14 21:33 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Joris Van Damme
2004.01.14 22:29 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Andrey Kiselev
2004.01.14 19:22 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.01.14 21:04 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Andrey Kiselev
2004.01.14 22:06 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Marco Schmidt
2004.01.14 22:40 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Joris Van Damme
2004.01.14 22:57 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Marco Schmidt
2004.01.14 23:16 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Joris Van Damme
2004.01.14 23:22 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.01.14 23:39 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Joris Van Damme
2004.01.14 23:47 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.01.14 23:05 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by <karron@casi.net>
2004.01.14 23:57 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Chris Cox
2004.01.15 00:11 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.01.15 11:37 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Mike Williams
2004.01.15 12:32 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Mike Williams
2004.01.15 13:46 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Joris Van Damme
2004.01.15 15:55 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Mike Williams
2004.01.15 16:10 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.01.15 16:37 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Mike Williams
2004.01.15 17:02 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.01.15 17:00 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Joris Van Damme
2004.01.15 18:06 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Frank Warmerdam
2004.01.15 21:17 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Joris Van Damme
2004.01.15 22:25 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Richard Eckles
2004.01.15 22:50 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Chris Losinger
2004.01.15 23:00 "Don't advertise your willingness to contribute...", by Peter Smith
2004.01.16 08:26 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Rob Tillaart
2004.01.16 16:02 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.01.15 17:32 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by David Burken
2004.01.15 15:40 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Joris Van Damme

2004.01.15 17:00 "Re: http://www.libtiff.org/", by Joris Van Damme

Mike Williams wrote:
> was he the person who hijacked...

Does it really matter?

> > - is making money by having people 'donate to LibTiff', purely for his
> > own
> > private business?
>
> It would seem so - looking at the html the payment looks to go

That at least is defenite proof of faul intentions then.

> Posting something to slashdot.org

I agree. So, what are we going to post? Any candidates for writing up the
text? If not, it's going to be me bigmouth.

> Also, the site is hosted by Network Operations Center Inc. in the
> States, but it appears to be SPAM hoster.  I imagine they are pretty
> immune to complaints.

Again, does it really matter?

> TTFN

I'm not native English, in fact, I hardly speak English. Could you please
de-abbriviate this for me? Unless if it's not very flattering... ;-)

> It takes about ten years to get used to how old you are.

Nice signature. I've also found that it takes about thirty to fourty years
to finally start experiencing what it says in your signature. Life is funny
that way, isn't it? ;-)

Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
> the company which actually paid for the
> libtiff.org registration allowed the domain to lapse

May I guess who that negligant company is? Is one guess going to suffice?

> Obviously the company used predatory tactics since they immediately
> populated libtiff.org with the original material.

Yes, indeed, and that is another definite sign of fault intentions.

I think it doesn't even matter how this came about exactly, and what legal
actions we can or cannot take exactly, and who's going to pay notice to our
complaints exactly. If we are going to do this the 'correct' way, we'll grow
a beard size of the Eiffeltower and still not accomplish anything. I
understand Andrey has been trying to accomplish something the 'correct' way
for quite some time now, so that should prove my point.

I think we need to put some predator actions on this matter ourselves. Let's
really bother him. Let's
- Stop talking about the things we can do, unless it's new ideas or actual
action. We already agreed on the three idea's Marco Schmidt offered
yesterday, didn't we? (German copyright related newsgroup, slashdot and cb
or something) So let's put some action into it. Marco offered to translate
to German where necessary.  Anyone offering to write up some texts?
- I still think the main reason the 'correct' way doesn't work is that
absolutely noone is bothered with it. So let's start bothering. Anyone
offering to compile a list of e-mail as well as snail-mail addresses to
bother? Let's make noise! This would include his ISP for starters, even if
they aren't interested.
- Do people here agree that it is a good idea to let the man know that he's
in for quite a storm? If he's got any sense at all, he'll know it's time to
quit. So let's just mail him personally too, with a simple link to the
on-line version of this thread.
- Do people here give me a mandate for contacting Belgium computer crime
police? They won't be able to do anything at all, I guess, but they will
certainly be able to point me to the right german channels if there are any.
Again, I don't really care if they can stop him, they certainly can and will
make it very difficult on him and harress him.
- He's gathering funds through Paypal. Anyone here offering to write up some
text to notify Paypal of the crimes committed through their channel? If he's
got any sense at all, he'll make sure Paypal doesn't ban him. Again, I don't
care if it works, I care for making lots of problems for him.
- Anyone offering to trace all the groups he has a membership in? Familly,
friends? Let's destroy his image of successfull business man he no doubt has
and let his environment know what he really does for a living.
- And I think the de-google-izing is a good idea too. Do people here agree?
Anyone able and willing to write up a text?

I'm asking a lot of 'anyone able and willing', I know. I also know that I
have a talent for making noise, but am not always very good in writing up
exactly correct texts. I hardly even master English. That's why I'm hoping
someone else will do this. But if noone does, and people do not object to me
doing it, then I will.

Let's put some action into this! The man messed with the wrong green-eyed
stepchild, because it's OUR green-eyed stepchild.



Joris Van Damme
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