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2004.09.16 19:12 "BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.09.16 19:23 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Frank Warmerdam
2004.09.16 19:36 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.09.16 19:38 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Frank Warmerdam
2004.09.16 20:08 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.09.17 01:14 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.09.16 22:39 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Ian Ameline
2004.09.17 00:09 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.09.17 00:32 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.09.17 01:54 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.09.17 02:29 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.09.17 02:58 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.09.17 03:08 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Chris Cox
2004.09.17 04:20 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.09.17 04:39 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Chris Cox
2004.09.17 11:25 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.09.17 14:31 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.09.17 14:40 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Frank Warmerdam
2004.09.17 15:02 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.09.17 21:41 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Chris Cox
2004.09.17 14:53 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.09.17 15:06 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.09.17 21:36 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Chris Cox
2004.09.17 05:46 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Frank Warmerdam
2004.09.17 11:40 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.09.17 13:11 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Frank Warmerdam
2004.09.17 13:34 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.09.17 15:10 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Fernando Loygorri
2004.09.17 15:10 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.09.17 15:55 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Fernando Loygorri
2004.09.17 16:00 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Frank Warmerdam
2004.09.17 16:33 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Fernando Loygorri
2004.09.17 16:13 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.09.17 16:34 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Fernando Loygorri
2004.09.17 16:43 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.09.17 21:48 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Ross A Finlayson
2004.09.17 22:15 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.09.17 21:41 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Chris Cox
2004.09.17 11:38 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.09.17 06:35 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Rob Tillaart
2004.09.17 11:43 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.09.17 12:46 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Rob Tillaart
2004.09.17 12:55 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.09.17 13:20 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Rob Tillaart
2004.09.17 13:47 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.09.17 13:08 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Ross A Finlayson
2004.09.19 12:31 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Andrey Kiselev
2004.09.19 16:43 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.09.20 16:18 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Ed Grissom
2004.09.20 22:05 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Steve Carlsen
2004.09.20 23:09 "Re: BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Bob Friesenhahn

2004.09.16 19:12 "BigTIFF Tag Value Count issue", by Joris Van Damme

People,

Chris and I have been discussing BigTIFF, as the current Wiki specifies, and
we've come to a subject that we both would like more comments and opinions on.

To eliminate chances of misunderstandings, please allow me to specify the full
tag structure and mark the member in question.

Offset - Datatype - Value
--------------------------
0 - Word - Tag identifying code
2 - Word - Datatype of tag data
4 - Unsigned Long - Number of values
8 - 4 bytes - Tag data or offset

For a more clear HTML table view on this and the two even more highest level
structures, should you need a quick reminder, see
http://www.awaresystems.be/imaging/tiff/faq.html#q3.

The current Wiki specifies there is only one difference between Classic TIFF and
BigTIFF, as far as this structure is concerned, and that is, of course, that
fourth, last member, the data/offset, that is 8 bytes wide in BigTIFF.

The thing that is now up for debate is the third member, the 'Count' member, the
member that specifies the number of values. We are unsure as to whether we
really want to keep it 4 bytes, or extend this member to 8 bytes, as well.

Argument pro 4 bytes is that this keeps all 8 byte values in the TIFF file
perfectly aligned on multiples of 8.

This may be a poor argument, since alignment inside a file really might not be
that important.

Argument pro 8 bytes is that tags may be private, meaning tag value is
essentially opaque to the TIFF specification, meaning it's 'anything' as far as
TIFF goes, meaning that we might want to acknowledge that it might need to grow
beyond the 4 gig boundary. After all, we're having TIFF itself grow beyond that
boundary, for good reason. 'Do upon others as you would like others to do upon
yourself'. Or something. Academically speaking, it feels a bit weird the BigTIFF
itself wouldn't fit in the space that BigTIFF reserves for the opaque
'anything'.

Not that there's much of a chance for the actual need, in practice, and that's
why this may be poor argument too. I don't think we're ever going to see any tag
grow beyond 4 gig, and we most probably will never see a TIFF tag that is a
TIFF, since we've got the SubIFD scheme that covers this need.

Another thing to consider is what happens if we discard the need for 8byte
values to be aligned... suddenly, the rationale behind having the 'number of
tags' first member of each IFD grow to 8 bytes wide also becomes invalid, and we
need to rethink that as well.

Another thing that may be 'spirit' related is the Tile/Strip ByteCounts... The
current Wiki allows these to be specified with 8byte wide values. It seems that
even though they are not related, they are somehow related, as the idea of
having a single strip or tile growing beyond 4 gig is just as wild - or as
carefull - as the idea of a single tag growing beyond 4 gig in size.

What do you all think?




Joris Van Damme
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