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2004.10.01 07:22 "BigTIFF extension issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.10.01 16:41 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Ian Ameline
2004.10.01 16:53 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Frank Warmerdam
2004.10.01 17:01 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.10.01 17:19 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Steve Carlsen
2004.10.01 17:27 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Chris Losinger
2004.10.01 17:48 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.10.01 17:48 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.10.01 17:50 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Frank Warmerdam
2004.10.01 18:03 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Chris Losinger
2004.10.01 22:22 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Chris Cox
2004.10.02 01:21 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.10.02 01:45 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.10.02 03:19 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.10.02 10:20 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Andy Cave
2004.10.03 15:59 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.10.04 08:53 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Andy Cave
2004.10.04 11:56 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.10.02 03:43 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Chris Cox
2004.10.02 04:10 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.10.02 04:41 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.10.02 04:53 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Chris Cox
2004.10.02 10:28 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Andy Cave
2004.10.03 00:39 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Chris Cox
2004.10.04 08:34 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Andy Cave
2004.10.04 14:02 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.10.04 14:21 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.10.04 14:57 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Andy Cave
2004.10.04 23:11 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Chris Cox
2004.10.05 08:43 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Andy Cave
2004.10.05 13:27 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.10.04 11:29 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Rob Tillaart
2004.10.04 14:54 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.10.04 15:04 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Andy Cave
2004.10.04 15:23 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.10.04 15:43 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.10.04 15:54 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.10.04 16:50 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Steve Carlsen
2004.10.04 18:20 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.10.04 18:30 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Bill Bither
2004.10.04 18:36 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Bob Friesenhahn
2004.10.04 18:46 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Joris Van Damme
2004.10.04 18:59 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Andy Cave
2004.10.05 14:41 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Fernando Loygorri
2004.10.04 18:49 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Andy Cave
2004.10.04 19:00 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Bob Friesenhahn

2004.10.02 10:20 "Re: BigTIFF extension issue", by Andy Cave

Hi All.

Lots of mails on this subject, so I'll add my £/p worth.

I don't think you can use the argument that no existing standard TIFF reader 
can read BigTIFF. The case of tiled tiff vs previous tiff is one example, 
but perhaps not a good one. So, take PostScript or PDF as perhaps a better 
example. We had PS Level 1, then Level 2 then Level 3. We had PDF 1.0, then 
1.2, then 1.3, then 1.4. I think everyone would agree that there was no new 
file format. But no laserprinter that was Level 1 could print a Level 2 
file. In this case one would argue that the file format was the same, but 
the commands/operators were different.

Re BigTIF, I think the file format is the same, but the data types are 
different (an 8 byte offset data type instead of a 4 byte). In fact I think 
one could argue that TIFF already supports varying data types of different 
byte lengths, albeit for tags, as values can often be SHORT or LONG etc... I 
think a 64bit offset type vs a 32bit offset type is exactly the same thing, 
but just applied in a different place (for offsets & sizes et al).

The actual format of the file is the same (header, offset tables, etc... 
compressed bands, tiles,...).

Re JPEG vs JPEG2000, the file format is not the same, as the file is only 
the compressed data stream, which is different. So, here I can see why a new 
extension was required.

If there is a tag in there indicating it's big tiff, apps can very soon rev 
to support this and give a warning. People have to upgrade their apps 
periodically, as older apps don't even run on later OSs. So within a few 
years all (most) the apps people use will deal with big tiff .tif[i] file 
correctly. And big tiff files will only be common in general open use (as 
opposed to closed loop systems) in a while anyway.

Yes sticking with .tif[f] does put pressure on us as a company to support 
it, as otherwise we get lots of support headaches. But then to stay 
competitive, we'd need to do this anyway. So it's a meaningless argument.

I think we should stick with .tif[f].

Andy.

Andy Cave,
Chief Executive Officer,
Hamillroad Software Limited.
www.hamillroad.com